台電中油硬幹 10萬噸CO2埋地底恐誘發地震 - 地球科學討論
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作者: cocoleeeric (小笨盪) 看板: Gossiping
標題: Re: [新聞] 台電中油硬幹 10萬噸CO2埋地底恐誘發地震
時間: Tue Jun 25 08:34:17 2013
※ 引述《wty (一切都)》之銘言:
: 1.媒體來源:
: 蘋果日報
: 2.完整新聞標題/內文:
: 台電中油硬幹 10萬噸CO2埋地底 恐誘發地震
: 【連線報導】國內二氧化碳(CO2)年排放量高達2億6千萬噸,環保署擬立法規範排碳大
: 戶的排碳量,其中2大戶台電及中油為了符合環保規定,正悄悄在台灣西部進行龐大的減
: 碳工程──「將二氧化碳壓縮後封存到地底」,中油預計年底前在苗栗永和山封存1萬噸
: 、台電預計3年半後在彰濱工業區封存10萬噸,學者憂心可能誘發地震或氣體外洩,「後
: 果不堪設想」,環團則痛批:「不要把民眾當白老鼠!」
: 3.新聞連結: http://ppt.cc/PaU~
: 4.備註:全球暖化是一場媒體聯合起來的史上最大科學騙局 目的是高盛主導的碳交易
: 2009年俄羅斯駭客就把這些科學家蓄意串改數據並就此互相調笑的電郵曝光了
: 這些氣候“科學家”之間電子件郵往來的細節,揭開了一個蓄謀已久的驚天陰謀:他們共
: 謀誇大氣候變暖資料、盡可能地非法銷毀對他們不利的資訊,有組織地抗拒資訊披露,
: 玩弄數位遊戲,私下裡承認在公開場合言論中的謬誤--by 威廉恩道爾
: 只有息肉不知道 http://ppt.cc/slpb http://ppt.cc/rJ1b
: 恩道爾:氣候門醜聞震撼科學界 終結奧巴瑪氣候交易欺詐
關於這就干鍵盤二氧化碳地質封存學家小弟我的事了
台電跟中油那個計劃呢 其實我們都有涉略...學者憂心的誘發地震或氣體外洩...
我覺得還好 至於全球暖化是不是騙局...呵呵呵 讓我們繼續看下去XDDD
以下內容可能有點學術
二氧化碳的地質封存主要分為兩種
一種叫做地下儲氣窖封存 另一種是鹽水層封存
地下儲氣窖封存呢 就是以前啊 中油不是在台灣有挖到一些天然氣或石油嗎?
那把天然氣跟石油從地底下挖出來之後...裡面應該空了吧?(會有留一點點氣體)
那這些石油跟天然氣在地下已經存了幾百萬年了都沒爆炸
理論上應該不會突然心情不好就炸裂吧?
所以 天才的石油工程師就開始思考...二氧化碳這種雞肋...
應該可以放在那裡不會跑出來 是吧
所以 就開始這種類型的地質封存
這封存方式 跟我們跟國外買天然氣 儲存在台灣一樣
苗栗那邊有一個全台灣最大的天然氣儲氣窖 他都存那麼多年了
天然氣噎...比二氧化碳恐怖吧...一點火就掰了 都安全了很久
我相信這點技術 中油是有的 不過現在處於人力斷層的中油
我不敢保證未來會如何啦....
這種儲存方式最有可能的洩漏點在于 鑽井的井孔 跟構造的破碎帶
不過理論上只要有嚴密的監控 是不會有大量泄漏發生 不然人就會休克
至於另一種鹽水層封存二氧化碳呢...這就是中油跟台電這次所做的
我印象中台電做的好像是在彰濱工業區打算把二氧化碳打到台灣海峽裡面去
這有什麼好處呢?...您知道 二氧化碳加水 就是我們俗話說的汽水
二氧化碳加熱水 就變成溫泉...那二氧化碳加海水咧?
就鹹汽水啊....XDDD
他們在地下找到一個溝造 台灣海峽方向上傾 認為它夠大 所以可以封存
應該有人會問 往台灣海峽方向上傾 應該會在台灣海峽漏出來吧?
這就跟二氧化碳跟水接觸後的變化有關了
二氧化碳跟鹽水接觸時 會有幾種反應 溶解 離子化 跟礦化
而且在孔隙介質中 還會有因毛細壓力 表面張力 等等的物理因素產生的殘餘氣
以上四種東西 都不是可移動的流體 不會飄到空氣中
唯一會飄到空氣中的是可移動的二氧化碳
如果 這二氧化碳打進去的是一個有封閉構造的鹽水層(例如像一個倒放的碗)
理論上二氧化碳也沒地方跑 就只能在那邊呆 然後慢慢的跟鹽水反應 變成大理石
這東西的風險在於你打的量太大時 可能會產生地層岩石破裂
然後二氧化碳就流出去了 然後台灣打得量基本上就是把小石頭丟到海裡一樣
一點感覺也沒有...國外的商轉場大多是打每年一百萬噸 人家都還頭好壯壯
台灣那個一萬噸...三年十萬噸 我說真的 XX比雞腿
中油的計劃呢 則比台電的更安全一些
畢竟人家是打洞始祖 日本都找中油幫打洞了...
而且中油打在有構造封閉的地方 台電那個是打在地下 最差的狀況就是到對岸冒出來
不過依照那種量來看理論上是不可能游到對岸的 因為二氧化碳的溶解速度太快
如果你接觸面積大的話 一下子就變汽水了 剩下可以移動的二氧化碳可能少得可憐
至於為啥我會知道那麼多....不要問 很可怕
不過如果想更瞭解二氧化碳地質封存的 歡迎站內信討論
--
作者: cocoleeeric (小笨盪) 看板: Gossiping
標題: Re: [新聞] 台電中油硬幹 10萬噸CO2埋地底恐誘發地震
時間: Tue Jun 25 08:34:17 2013
※ 引述《wty (一切都)》之銘言:
: 1.媒體來源:
: 蘋果日報
: 2.完整新聞標題/內文:
: 台電中油硬幹 10萬噸CO2埋地底 恐誘發地震
: 【連線報導】國內二氧化碳(CO2)年排放量高達2億6千萬噸,環保署擬立法規範排碳大
: 戶的排碳量,其中2大戶台電及中油為了符合環保規定,正悄悄在台灣西部進行龐大的減
: 碳工程──「將二氧化碳壓縮後封存到地底」,中油預計年底前在苗栗永和山封存1萬噸
: 、台電預計3年半後在彰濱工業區封存10萬噸,學者憂心可能誘發地震或氣體外洩,「後
: 果不堪設想」,環團則痛批:「不要把民眾當白老鼠!」
: 3.新聞連結: http://ppt.cc/PaU~
: 4.備註:全球暖化是一場媒體聯合起來的史上最大科學騙局 目的是高盛主導的碳交易
: 2009年俄羅斯駭客就把這些科學家蓄意串改數據並就此互相調笑的電郵曝光了
: 這些氣候“科學家”之間電子件郵往來的細節,揭開了一個蓄謀已久的驚天陰謀:他們共
: 謀誇大氣候變暖資料、盡可能地非法銷毀對他們不利的資訊,有組織地抗拒資訊披露,
: 玩弄數位遊戲,私下裡承認在公開場合言論中的謬誤--by 威廉恩道爾
: 只有息肉不知道 http://ppt.cc/slpb http://ppt.cc/rJ1b
: 恩道爾:氣候門醜聞震撼科學界 終結奧巴瑪氣候交易欺詐
關於這就干鍵盤二氧化碳地質封存學家小弟我的事了
台電跟中油那個計劃呢 其實我們都有涉略...學者憂心的誘發地震或氣體外洩...
我覺得還好 至於全球暖化是不是騙局...呵呵呵 讓我們繼續看下去XDDD
以下內容可能有點學術
二氧化碳的地質封存主要分為兩種
一種叫做地下儲氣窖封存 另一種是鹽水層封存
地下儲氣窖封存呢 就是以前啊 中油不是在台灣有挖到一些天然氣或石油嗎?
那把天然氣跟石油從地底下挖出來之後...裡面應該空了吧?(會有留一點點氣體)
那這些石油跟天然氣在地下已經存了幾百萬年了都沒爆炸
理論上應該不會突然心情不好就炸裂吧?
所以 天才的石油工程師就開始思考...二氧化碳這種雞肋...
應該可以放在那裡不會跑出來 是吧
所以 就開始這種類型的地質封存
這封存方式 跟我們跟國外買天然氣 儲存在台灣一樣
苗栗那邊有一個全台灣最大的天然氣儲氣窖 他都存那麼多年了
天然氣噎...比二氧化碳恐怖吧...一點火就掰了 都安全了很久
我相信這點技術 中油是有的 不過現在處於人力斷層的中油
我不敢保證未來會如何啦....
這種儲存方式最有可能的洩漏點在于 鑽井的井孔 跟構造的破碎帶
不過理論上只要有嚴密的監控 是不會有大量泄漏發生 不然人就會休克
至於另一種鹽水層封存二氧化碳呢...這就是中油跟台電這次所做的
我印象中台電做的好像是在彰濱工業區打算把二氧化碳打到台灣海峽裡面去
這有什麼好處呢?...您知道 二氧化碳加水 就是我們俗話說的汽水
二氧化碳加熱水 就變成溫泉...那二氧化碳加海水咧?
就鹹汽水啊....XDDD
他們在地下找到一個溝造 台灣海峽方向上傾 認為它夠大 所以可以封存
應該有人會問 往台灣海峽方向上傾 應該會在台灣海峽漏出來吧?
這就跟二氧化碳跟水接觸後的變化有關了
二氧化碳跟鹽水接觸時 會有幾種反應 溶解 離子化 跟礦化
而且在孔隙介質中 還會有因毛細壓力 表面張力 等等的物理因素產生的殘餘氣
以上四種東西 都不是可移動的流體 不會飄到空氣中
唯一會飄到空氣中的是可移動的二氧化碳
如果 這二氧化碳打進去的是一個有封閉構造的鹽水層(例如像一個倒放的碗)
理論上二氧化碳也沒地方跑 就只能在那邊呆 然後慢慢的跟鹽水反應 變成大理石
這東西的風險在於你打的量太大時 可能會產生地層岩石破裂
然後二氧化碳就流出去了 然後台灣打得量基本上就是把小石頭丟到海裡一樣
一點感覺也沒有...國外的商轉場大多是打每年一百萬噸 人家都還頭好壯壯
台灣那個一萬噸...三年十萬噸 我說真的 XX比雞腿
中油的計劃呢 則比台電的更安全一些
畢竟人家是打洞始祖 日本都找中油幫打洞了...
而且中油打在有構造封閉的地方 台電那個是打在地下 最差的狀況就是到對岸冒出來
不過依照那種量來看理論上是不可能游到對岸的 因為二氧化碳的溶解速度太快
如果你接觸面積大的話 一下子就變汽水了 剩下可以移動的二氧化碳可能少得可憐
至於為啥我會知道那麼多....不要問 很可怕
不過如果想更瞭解二氧化碳地質封存的 歡迎站內信討論
--
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