Re: 政治能問嗎 - 文化差異

※ 引述《iambeetle (beetle)》之銘言：
: ※ 引述《erthe (左擁北一 右抱中山)》之銘言：
: : 不知道外國人對台灣 中國的看法如何
: 先說好了。。。我是中國人，就是“大陸人”，家鄉是在廣東。。。
: 但是已經到Canada三年多了。。。
: 我同意說中國政府一直有對中國人民洗腦說台灣是中國的一部分，
: 而且很大部分中國人也認為台灣“回歸”是早晚的事情。。。
: 我覺得這個真的很難說清楚，不是嗎。。？
Are you going to talk about the history or the future?
It is not very difficult to clarify it.
In the past, for most of the time, Taiwan has been independently existant
in the world.
There were Dutch, Koxinga, Chin, Japanese and Chiang ever controlling Taiwan.
However, only the last two can fully control most of Taiwan.
(Remember, 2/3 of Taiwan is mountains. The first reliable sea level
determination was by Japanese.)
Chinese did build something in Taiwan, such as railway; however, at the same
time, they were removing railway off from their country.
Everybody knows Taiwan was ceded to Japan in 1895.

I don't like Chinese always arguing for price or bargain;
I don't like Chinese always leaving rubbish everywhere;
If you Chinese do want to buy something, pay for it or go away.
If you Chinese do decide to give up something, don't go to ask it back someday.
Else, don't give up then.

What do you think we Taiwanese are?

: 因為歷史這東西，本來就很有偏見，
: 兩個政府都盡量把歷史修改到有利於自己的一邊，
: 所以我個人是完全不相信歷史。。。
Yes, the history has been interpreted very differently..
It is not difficult to clarify, else they won't be able to do any interpreting.
If you are talking about 'believe' or 'not believe', then we are at different
level.
I would talk about 'consideration', 'evidences' and 'research'.
I may still believe or not believe something, but would think of the reasons.

: 對於台灣和中國到底是甚麼關係，我也是中立。
: 完全沒有偏任何一邊，我覺得只要兩邊不要爭，不要有矛盾，只要結果是好的就好了。
: 我在vancouver有很多台灣朋友，除非是我最親的朋友，我都很少跟他們談到政治問題，
: 因為這些東西，既然已經被洗腦了，那就不是一下子可以說服的。。。
: 我唯一覺得不爽的是美國一直在兩岸關係裡面亂弄，所以可以在裡面賺到錢。。。
: 我倒是覺得這樣太小人了。。。
I suggest you just go away and talk to your president then.
If he agrees to give up to invade Taiwan or any attacks, we will not have
to buy any weapons from the US.

Mr Chinese, we are quite happily living here. If there is any difficulty,
that is basically by you, or your government.

: 但是有一點我想說啦，
: 我記得我以前的教科書，都以“同胞”稱做台灣是沒有錯，
: 我覺得這算是善意吧。。。
No. If I ask a question:
Do you call 'my dearest' to every girl?
Then, do you think they will feel you are friendly if you do that?

Get your brain geared up, please, Mr Chinese.

: 但是有時候我上PTT看到很多取笑大陸人的東西。。。
: 心裡面是有點不舒服，因為感覺有些人好像有點討厭大陸人。。。
: 而且裡面取笑的都很多是stereotype，我看了都覺得很無裡頭。。。
: 我心裡面是希望這都是小部分人吧。。。。
: 因為我的台灣朋友們都對我好好，而且他們都會說，“你感覺不像大陸人耶”
: 我覺得這可能是台灣人對大陸人也不怎麼瞭解吧。。。
: 要是真能象交朋友一樣了解對方的話，其實差異，也不會很多。
: 如果是錯，都是政府的錯，普通百姓是無辜的吧。。。

If you are governed by foreigner, such as japanese or whatever, I will accept
this excuse. Unfortunately, you are governed by Chinese government, which is
even called 'People's Government'.
Which government else is 'more of people' than yours?
You got many political parties meeting every year or every day in so grand
hall, and never heard they are arguing for anything. Everything agreed 99%.
How can we believe that everything is due to the government but not the people.

By the way, if you can take off the 'People' on the title, and go to argue
or protesst in your parliament, I will believe what you said. OK?


I am not laughing at you.
Democracy is a very good status, but you can not get it for free.
Do something for your own country, for your neighbour's sakes.

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